Aycee Brown: 1:47

It's really about bringing you back to what your soul is here to do, your soul's calling and not be in this constant fight and rotation. And climbing these artificial kind of goals and things that don't even have anything to do with you sometimes. And what I really like about human design and all the other tools that I use is that once we get down to the core and the root of our pain, our trauma and things that we've experienced, we can really be honest with ourselves about what we value and what we want.

2:28

Hello and welcome to Enneagram in Real Life, a podcast where we explore how to apply our Enneagram knowledge in our daily lives. I'm your host, Stephanie Barron Hall, and on today's episode I am talking with. AC Brown. Now, if you are in different types of personality spaces on Instagram or TikTok, I'm sure you've heard of AC Brown. She talks about human design, and I admit I am not an expert by any stretch on human design, But that's why I wanted AC to join me and to share all about human design and all those sorts of things. I've really enjoyed AC C's podcast, which is called Is My Aura on Street And she's done various different types of interviews, including one with me, which was really fun. But AC also has done deep dives on each of the human design aura types. So we're gonna go over that a little bit today, but you can get a lot more info from her podcast in particular. So a little bit more about her Before we begin, AC Brown is a psychic channel, medium spiritual guide and teacher dedicated to helping people unlock their most magical lives, known as the voice of truth for her ability to connect individuals with their divine source. AC works with those at life's crossroads, guiding them to find clarity, meaning, and a path forward with her soon to be released. Book on Harper one AC brings her profound Insights in human design and trauma-informed coaching to a wider audience. Offering a blueprint for breaking free from conditioning and embracing one's authentic self. and if you like this episode, I definitely encourage you to check her out on. Instagram and TikTok to make sure that you're the first to know when her new book is released. so we share the same publisher and I'm really excited to get my hands on her new book, um, whenever it's out. So again, her Instagram is AC Brown. It's A-Y-C-E-E Brown, and same with TikTok. and she also has a coaching container called Embody Your Magic. I am not in this coaching program. However, I've taken other one-on-one programs from AC and I really love them and got a lot out of those experiences. So definitely if you're interested in this type of thing, check it out and. I love this episode too because AC is a sexual five wing four, and I feel like that really comes through both in our conversation here. The conversation I had with her on her podcast and all the work that she does. She is such a deep diver, which we really appreciate here at Enneagram, IRL, because we like to have all the info. During the episode, we tackled questions like, what is human design? What are the main aura types? What can they do for us? And all those sorts of things. And so definitely if you have any questions, this is a great intro episode for human design, and I even snuck in a few of my personal questions about my Oro type, which is a splenic projector. So I hope you really enjoy this episode as much as I did. And without further ado, here's my conversation with AC Brown.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 5:46

Well, AC, welcome to the podcast.

Aycee Brown: 5:48

Thank you for having me.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 5:51

I'm so thrilled to talk with you today. And you've actually been on my list for a while because I know that you're an Enneagram five and y'all are hard to come by, like in the sense of having a five who wants to come out and just say, this is what's happening. This is how I see things.

Aycee Brown: 6:09

Really?

Stephanie Barron Hall: 6:10

wanting to share about it. Yeah.

Aycee Brown: 6:12

interesting. A friend of mine, who's a manifester in human design, she checks in with me periodically. She was, and she always goes, what does the projector have to say? What's going on in the world? How are you feeling? And I'm just like, okay. Like she always does that. So I didn't know that about Enneagram Fives.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 6:30

Yeah. Um, just, they just tend to be a little bit more like, reserved and like to speak on their area of expertise.

Aycee Brown: 6:37

Yeah, I will say that. And I probably would say just thinking about that. It's mostly because if I'm correct from what I know about the Enneagram, we have a lot of wisdom. We have a lot of insight. We do a lot of research. We do a lot of studying. And so, Sometimes that doesn't sit well with people who have their own ideals. And I don't want to argue with people. I don't want to argue with people. So you just be over there with your own thoughts, views, and opinions. And I'll stay over here. When you're ready, come and get me.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 7:15

Yeah. I mean, that does check out for a lot of fives, I think. and I know that you have deep expertise in human design and that is what I'm so curious to talk about with you today. So I'm curious if you can share a little bit of your journey and how you came to work with this tool.

Aycee Brown: 7:31

Absolutely. So human design, I've been in the human design system, as some people say, or reading charts, coaching people through human design for over a decade. And I stumbled upon it in a very interesting way. I was, I had just moved from New York to the DC area and I was interning for a commercial photographer because at the time I was doing photography, wedding photography, commercial photography. Makeup artist, the resident makeup artist who was there, she was talking about, you know, projectors and manifest and she's like, Oh, I'm a manifester and all of the stuff. And I was like, Why don't I know about this? This is weird. I know about everything. As she was explaining the different, aura types, she was saying something about manifestors. They're here to initiate. And I was like, Oh yeah, that's me. I'm an initiator. Absolutely. And so she was like, Oh yeah, you should take the test, you know, and fill out your stuff and then find out what you are. So I did that. And then I found out I was a projector and I started crying. And I was like, what is this? I'm supposed to wait for things. That is crazy. And I was just so overwhelmed and so upset. And then I found out later on that both of my parents, they're generators. So growing up in a generator household, projectors are more likely to try and be generators. And so there's a lot of people in my family who are generators. it's only, there's only a few of us who are projectors. Like less than five of us. And so when I found that out and after I had got a chart reading, I was just like, I have to dissect this. What is going on? This doesn't make any sense. And then I started just diving deeper into the system. But then with my intuitive mediumship psychic skills, it started looking different to me. And as I started learning about the different channels, gates and centers. And the lines and all of that, it just started looking very different. And I started picking up patterns very easily. And when I started looking at charts, they just looked different to me because of my intuitive sense. And so I started reading charts. I started dissecting people at work. And I would, you know, read people's charts at work. Like, what are you? I'm like, oh, this is why I don't like my boss because I'm this. So because of that, and that's how I really got into it. And then I just said, I was already doing life coaching. I had just finished my master's degree. And I was got my certification in life coaching at the time and I was like, oh I can just incorporate this in this and then a friend of mine We were gonna do a business together about human design and then she said I don't want to do it And so we had got all these training courses and everything and I was just like, okay I'll just do it on my own and then that's how I kind of really got into it just on Like in the background, I wasn't like completely online yet. I had a Facebook group. Um, and then that was, that's pretty much it.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 10:42

Yeah. Okay. And I'm wondering if you can just back us up a little bit for those who aren't familiar. Um, what is human design and what do you mean? Like take the test or get your chart. What are all these things

Aycee Brown: 10:54

Well, human design is the combination of the itching, the Chinese itching, the Hindu cabal, I mean the, uh, Jewish Kabbalah system, um, the Hindu chakra system and Western astrology. And so all of those were combined. Um, the rah who had, um, his. Real name is Robert Allen Krakow, um, but he had a download and he combined all of these things and made a system and so it's not a test. It is. You use your birth information, just like astrology. So your birth information. gives you what is called a body graph and the body graph has two different columns on it your design and your personality. So your personality is the day that you were born and then your design date is 88 days prior to. So the design date stuff is some mostly your unconscious things that are in your human design body graph. And so My belief is that that is what your soul came here to learn in this lifetime. So human design is more of a map of oneself, one soul and how you can operate in this lifetime to thrive and not be resistant. And so what happens is that when people find out their human design or type, which there's five of them. which are generators, manifesting generators, projectors, manifestors, and reflectors. Nine times out of ten, not nine, I'm going to say 70 percent, 70 30, people find out that they are, we're living in a very opposite way. So in human design, they have something called deconditioning and it takes seven years of an experiment to decondition, to live more in alignment with your human design or type.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 12:48

Okay. That actually makes so much sense to me because, um, when you shared your first reaction to learning your projector, I also had that same reaction, but what I notice across all of these different systems, whether it's the Enneagram or astrology or human design. There's this theme around success in all of those for me. So my Enneagram type or, um, like it comes up in, in like the body graph, you know how it has like the little synopsis,

Aycee Brown: 13:15

Mm hmm.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 13:16

the side, um, and then my astrology chart as well.

Aycee Brown: 13:21

hmm.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 13:22

and I'm curious if you have been doing that, you know, seven year stretch and what that's like.

Aycee Brown: 13:29

Yeah, I mean I did it I've passed that but I was pretty much on board Like after two years because I was I was tired When I found out so I was just like, oh, okay this makes sense because you know, you first find out and then you're like upset Like I said, I come from a family that are they're very I'll have a lot of generators a lot of manifesting generators So everybody's a go getter. So they want to go out and make things happen. And that's how I was raised So it was just kind of opposite, but then I looked at all of the things that had happened to me that were invitations and how they had changed my life or moved my life forward. And I was like, Oh, okay, maybe there's something to this. So I kind of assimilated really quickly. Um, just because I was like, well, let me try and see. So it wasn't a hard thing for me. I just had to mostly learn about the tweaks. I think the hardest thing for me was Is that as a black woman, I had to make it my own because it was taught by, you know, white women and white men and they have a very different experience than I did in America and they still do. So when I teach it now or when I show people about the system now and read their charts now, it's a very different. viewpoint because I'm learning it and experiencing it from my viewpoint, which is very different from the average person.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 14:56

Yeah, that is so helpful and so important to know because I think about that a lot with Enneagram stuff too. like where it's like, oh, this is what this type looks like. And when we have cultural overlays, it's like, well, no, not exactly. And we have to be open to understanding that. so what can we do with this for self discovery? Because that's kind of in my question of like reading about it, learning about it. And then I'm like, okay, why does this help me and what should I do next?

Aycee Brown: 15:26

Well, the first thing you need to find out is what your aura type is. Don't get all bogged down with what the chart looks like. Why is this this? Why is it that? Of course, you can come and get a reading from me, which will be your best bet, of course, right? But next thing is, if you can't do that, Is to just follow your strategy and your authority, find out what that means. And then when you find out what that means, be in that for a little bit. So I'll go over the strategy and authorities for each one. So for generators, it is to respond, then act. What that means is that you are responding externally. to any outside influence or outside invitations from you. Like you get signs, you get clues, and then you respond. And then for manifesting generators is a little bit of a process because manifesting generators, they have a little bit of manifestor in them, but they're mostly generator, right? And so they're here to respond, imagine, initiate, and then act. So there's a little Like kind of part so they're here to pick up a sign or find something or go where their feelings are and Then they're supposed to imagine how they want the outcome and then not initiate. I'm scoot. Excuse me inform people of their Plans and then they act so they have a little bit of a process but manifesting generators Sometimes they don't follow that they move a lot quicker I like to call them which people get upset when I say this the walking law of Retraction because it just moves that fast for them with me when they say something when they have something that they want to act on It comes into their reality very quickly and that's because their throat Center is connected to a motor but that's A little bit deeper stuff. And then you have projectors, which we are here to be invited or wait for the invitation and then act. And invitations, where projectors get this messed up, they always think invitations are external. Invitations can also be internal, where you have an invitation to do something, to call someone, to go somewhere. So you're waiting for the invitation, and then you act on it. And then manifestors. They're here to inform an act or initiate an act. They're here to tell people the next steps. And so what I notice is that a lot of manifestors who are afraid to inform people is because during their childhood their creative process was suppressed because the Manifestor hates interruptions in their creative process. So I always give this example for any of the manifestors listening It's like one week they were like, oh, I want to be a ballerina and they loved it And then the next week they're like, oh, you know what? I want to play guitar and then you know In society, your parents are like, we already paid for 12 weeks of ballet class. You got to stay here. And then they get frustrated and they get very upset and then they don't, they suppress like what they want because that's kind of the situation and scenarios that they're used to. And then you have reflectors and reflectors are here. to wait a 28 day like moon cycle. They are here to wait 28 days and then make decisions. And I always tell reflectors, if you can't wait 28 days to give someone a decision, you just have to monitor your cycles. But they're here to process information longer to make decisions. So your strategy and your authority is how you make decisions. So I tell people when they first come on to human design or find it, just focus on that. And if you can follow that for a month, then dig a little bit deeper into your profile. Then go into your gates, then go into your centers, then go into your lines. Because there's so much you can use with human design. Not just for your own personal growth, but how you communicate with your romantic partner. partners, how you communicate in work, how you communicate with friends, how you market yourself, how you lead, how you create, how you're supposed to take care of your body. There's so many things

Stephanie Barron Hall: 19:38

Yeah. And it's so interesting that I just keep going back to the thing that you said, which is like a lot of us are living opposite to how we're kind of meant to. And why is that?

Aycee Brown: 19:48

because of capitalism.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 19:50

Right. I mean, that's always the answer, right? That's always like the best answer.

Aycee Brown: 19:56

That's it. No, it's so I, I like to say that human design, astrology, numerology, all of these metaphysics, um, metaphysical tools, medium, like, All of the things that I use, they're 80 percent accurate. However, many of us have been taught or we live in the 20%. And so in that 20 percent could be the way you were raised, religion, your socioeconomic status, capitalism, all of these things that you've been taught. That you should do, why you do it, all of that. The goal in this lifetime is to get to the 80%. And these things are not definites because they're always changing. So there's transits in human design, there's transits in astrology, there's different things that happen in numerology. It's really about using them as a guideline and tool so you can play your game to the best of your ability. So you can operate in, These capitalistic, you know, systems and, you know, the corporate system, the whatever system that you're in, the matrix that we're in, and you can operate yourself in the best of your ability. It's really about bringing you back to what your soul is here to do, your soul's calling and not be in this constant fight and rotation. And climbing these, these artificial kind of goals and things that don't even have anything to do with you sometimes. And what I really like about human design and all the other tools that I use is that once we get down to the core and the root of our pain, our trauma and things that we've experienced, we can really be honest with ourselves about what we value and what we want. Because the internet can trick us because you see people having things that make them them happy. But will they really make you happy? And so that's what I think these tools do.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 21:56

Yeah. That's so helpful. And I, I'm just thinking about in, in my life, and then my husband, so my husband's a manifesting generator and listening to you talk about that, it's really interesting because, he's also an Enneagram six and six is like to mull over things. They think about it. They process it. They take a long time. Um, and so like this year, one thing he's working on is like shortening his timelines so that he. It moves into action quicker instead of like thinking and planning and planning forever and not actually taking action, um, which is kind of the opposite of how it sounds like manifesting generators are supposed to respond. And then for me, um, I like to go out and just like. Try to like stir things up and make things happen, but that's the opposite of how I'm supposed to respond, right? we're kind of like swapped and I'm just so curious. Like I think that's just really interesting Because not saying that it works, right? Like I'm not saying that it works how we're doing it and I'm curious if we were to go through that process of like kind of Changing our, our way of moving through the world and, and moving through life, what that would look like, and it probably would look really different and probably a lot less exhausting.

Aycee Brown: 23:09

Yeah, that's probably the biggest thing that it helps you with, is the exhaustion, especially for the non sacral types, which means that in your human design body graph, you don't have a active sacral center. So the projectors, manifestors, and reflectors are non sacral. The sacral people are generators and manifesting generators. So we just have different Furnaces, if you want to say their furnace kind of runs longer than ours, ours has to be like re ignited more for us to have that long staying power. And so when we think about the aura types from that perspective, if you are living in opposite of that, it's really important to just try it out. That's why they call it an experiment. That's why it was always kind of proposed as well. What part of your seven year experience experiment are you in to experiment with these things to see how they make you feel to see if you have a better understanding of your body. So I always tell people if it is so drastically different than what you're already doing, just take baby steps like with anything and maybe let's say that you are. a projector. Um, and then instead of you going out and pitching yourself, maybe you just hire a manifesting generator to pitch for you because it probably will land better. Or you just wait for things, wait for invitations. Or I always like to tell manifestors who are in relationships that Because they hate to be interrupted, so they have to train their partners how to respond to them. So I always tell manifestors, hey, just tell your partner, I'm just going to tell you I'm going somewhere and then don't interrupt me, text me. So if, you know, it says, oh, I'm going to the store, you know, I'm going to Whole Foods or something like that, instead of your partner saying, what are you going to Whole Foods for? Just text them like, Oh, you're going to Whole Foods. Can you get me this? Or something like that? So it's just a it's it's a great communication tool. Um, that's where I love it for especially for relationships, especially for romantic relationships, for friendships and business partnerships, because you learn how to communicate, you learn how people understand stuff, because we're all different. We have all different love languages. We all receive stuff differently. So if you are living the opposite and you find out what your human design, just try it. Give it a week. Then give it two weeks. Then give it three weeks.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 25:57

This is the part that's tripped me up, is, I, I really liked what you said about projectors waiting for the invitation even inside them, because I'm like, how do I know? Like, what does that look like?

Aycee Brown: 26:09

Well, are you, uh, you're splenic, right? So splenic means intuition, so many splenic projectors do have a little bit of issues when they're not tapped into their intuitive side. So they don't know what their intuition is, if it's intuition or if it's anxiety. So I will tell a splenic projector is to try and meditate, try and do some nervous system practices to where they can feel what is their intuition. So I always say that intuition is silent, anxiety and fear is loud. So that's one way to tell. So when you're a splenic projector, you need to feel like into it. And it'll be a knowing it'll be a very subtle knowing like, okay, I should do this. If you are an emotional projector like me, I would have to just ride my emotional wave for a couple of hours or a couple of days. Um, so it really just depends. So if you're a sacral generator, sacrals, they'll feel it like it'll be like, um, a visceral reaction. Sometimes I know some sacral generators get goosebumps, some get chills or some get like rumblings in their stomachs. It's just a visceral kind of uh huh or no reaction in their body. Same with manifesting generators. And then with manifestors. They're a little bit different. They if they're emotional they have to you know, kind of ride it out and think about it So it's going to be everybody's or a type is going to react differently But even though you might have a split be a splitting progester just like a friend You're still gonna have those aha moments or that knowing very differently. So that's why it's It comes down to kind of knowing yourself, knowing your body. And I always like to say that human design is kind of the last stop on the healing train or the healing bus, if you want to say, um, it is not the first place you should go. And there's various reasons why, because like you said, I've been living this way for so long and then now you're telling me I'm doing it wrong. I naturally, as a human, I'm going to. like combat that and like go up against that and say, well, no, my life is greater. My life is this. It's been working. So why are you telling me that this is going to work? But you have to do some unpacking before you get there.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 28:38

Yeah. And I think also though, like intuitively I'm like, yeah, I know it's, I'm doing it wrong because I'm exhausted a lot of the time. Um, but also I think something that you've emphasized about the projectors is like kind of the slowing down and like having the on and off kind of cycles. And that's something I've learned through the Enneagram too, where it's like so important to be able to like listen inwardly to, Like lessen the chaos or the busyness in your schedule or whatever else outwardly And that can be really challenging.

Aycee Brown: 29:13

Yeah, it is. It's very challenging because you've been doing something for a long time. So slowing down or waiting or, you know, initiating or informing. It's or waiting. Imagine being a reflector waiting 28 days. Um, they get used to it, though, and they find out the benefits of it. Um, but it's it's hard. I mean, and it's not supposed to be necessarily hard. You're supposed to follow your heart instead of thinking with your head. And so we have a lot of head thinking that we come from instead of heart thinking. So it's just like a switch.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 29:54

when I kind of got into human design, this was like a year or two ago, maybe I, for like a week, I listened to tons of stuff. I listened to your podcast a lot. And it gave me so much empathy for people who are new to the Enneagram, because the Enneagram is a system I know so well, and I throw out these phrases and this jargon, and then I'm listening, and I'm like, whoa, my brain is exploding. Like, I don't understand all these words in the context that they're being used. and It takes some getting used to. and so I know we have the strategy and authority, that's where we look first. what about the numbers? Like, I've seen like 1 3 or 3 5, what do those

Aycee Brown: 30:32

So those are profile numbers. And so your profile is the how you do stuff. So it's how you interact with relationships with decision making. So the first number is a conscious number. That is what you're intentionally doing all the time. The second number is unconscious. That's what your subconscious wants to go to first. So the goal is for you to combine them and use them properly. Sometimes it's challenging because remember, the second number is unconscious. So you're subconsciously, subconsciously going to that kind of way of doing something. First, and then the first number is what you intentionally have to do. So for instance, I'm a three, five. So naturally I have to experience and experiment with things first. That's my intentional go to for moving through life, for learning things, for building relationships, building foundations for offers for all, I have to try it first. But subconsciously, my five, which is the philosopher wants to go out and teach everything I know and just be there and teach it. And I'm happy. Yay. But I have to try it first. And so many times our subconscious shows up first. And then that's when we get frustrated when things don't work out. So your profile numbers. are the how you do stuff, how you learn, how you interact with people, how you progress, how you figure out things. So that's another thing that you can go to next after you follow your strategy and authority is to learn about your profile and to really dig deep into that because it make things a lot easier to and it'll explain, especially with the profile, how people react to you and how you react to people in situations. almost very similar to your moon sign in astrology. So your moon sign in astrology is your emotional well being. It's how you react emotionally, how you process emotionally, how when things happen to you and you get emotional, what's the first thing you go to that will be your moon sign, that emotional behavior. And so that's sort of the same thing as the.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 32:50

Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So then what does the 1 3 mean? Ha

Aycee Brown: 32:54

So the one three is an investigator, um, martyr, which is that three line. So you investigate intentionally and then you The three has to experiment. So the one three is actually pretty interesting because one three can get very caught up in to investigating for like a long time. And I mean a long, long, a long time, they can get into this investigative mode where they're just like, I'm just going to investigate. And that's that. But that subconscious is like, no, we have to try this out. And then the one line is like, but we don't know enough to try it out yet. But you have to lean into that one line. So or for instance, like three, five, I want to talk about things. Um, sometimes, but my three line is like, no, I have to try it out before I can even say anything. But my five line is like, no, you don't just talk, just, just get up there. Just, just I made up a word for just philosophize. Just go get on your soapbox. That's it. You're fine. And my three line is like, no, I have to try this out first. So it's the same with the one three. It's like the three is like, come on, try it. Let's let's get to it. And it's like, nope, I need to take another class. I need to learn more. I need to study more and then I can go try it.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 34:22

That's so interesting you say that because, um That is always my impulse is the investigation side. Um, it hasn't always been though. I remember there have been times, like for example, when I was in my early twenties, I just started a wedding and event floral business. And my husband was like, why do you think you can do that? I was like, I just think I can. So I did it. And I, with no experience and actually was very successful. and it worked out really well. but. like with the Enneagram, for example, I studied for a few years and then I started getting certifications, and especially with things like coaching, where I was like getting these certifications. And then I was just like, I just feel like I need to know more. But then with coaching, I think there's a lot that is just actually doing it

Aycee Brown: 35:10

Yeah,

Stephanie Barron Hall: 35:10

and learning that way. And I had this one coach who, she told me like, it's a creative process. for you. Now you have all the information. It's now a creative process for you to discover what your style looks like. And I was like, uh, no,

Aycee Brown: 35:28

like, no, give me the way to do it

Stephanie Barron Hall: 35:31

but she's being that little unconscious

Aycee Brown: 35:33

that three, right? The three, the three has to try. And I always tell people don't argue with people with three lines, especially if they have because and I always, it's mostly for me because three lines, once they try something. especially a few times and experiment it. They have a definitive knowing that it does work or doesn't work based off of their beliefs and based off of how it did for them. So you can't convince them otherwise. Or like I said, I don't date cancer men anymore because I've been there and done that. I don't want a cancer man. So I'm like, Oh, you shouldn't. No, I'm good. I promise. I'm okay. I've tried it several times. I've tried Pisces moon men several times. I'm good. No, please. Like, don't send me one, God. So, it's just that whole leaning into it, um, leaning into that. unconscious part of your profile once you've mastered the conscious part, but especially for people who have one lines in their profile, it's very important to, as I tell one line people, learn a little bit, go do the other part, learn a little bit, go do the other part. So if you're a one five, you know, I mean, a five one, you know, Learn a little bit. Go talk about it. Learn a bit for you. Go experiment with it.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 37:00

That's such good guidance for us because I feel like, um, even though some of the, like the other things that are in my Well, actually, I can't say that it's all very accurate. I think like when I read, my chart and I look at like the strategy, the authority, you know, the profile, like all these different pieces, even though I don't understand everything, like the gates, for example, I, it all resonates, you know, but especially this one really resonates of like, I can see that pattern in my life.

Aycee Brown: 37:27

Yeah, it's, I like to say, like I said, it's 80 percent accurate. The 20 percent is going to be influenced based off of your socioeconomic status, how you were raised, religion, the things that you were taught, all of these things. The way you grew up. That sometimes outweighs the 80 percent and you're just trying to get back. I like to say the 20 percent are the people who like astrology is not real. That stuff is not real. And it's just like, okay. Have you ever had your chart read? They're like, no. I'm like, then how do you know? Right. It shows.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 38:04

Um, So, I'm curious if you can tell us more about your upcoming book,

Aycee Brown: 38:09

Yes.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 38:10

because it's coming out later this year and I'm just so curious to hear more about what's going to be in it.

Aycee Brown: 38:16

Well, my book, I don't know if I can say the name. I don't even think I can say that yet. it's called embody your magic. I can say that. and it's pretty much a self healing manual to become like this to get the psychic within out of you because I believe everybody is psychic. And so Psychic ability is not something that is far from us. Everyone has the ability. So the book really takes people on a journey through several different parts. We answer seven questions, come up with one statement about who you are and through that there's a modality that's attached to it. So knowing your story, like knowing, you know, your parents, knowing how you got here, knowing How that influenced you, psychic channeling, how that can help you answer questions, make decisions, mediumship, numerology, astrology, metaphysics, human design, and also there's a backdrop of internal family systems as well, um, where I touch on just how certain parts of ourselves extend through astrology, like self like parts are our astrology charts, um, and things like that. So it takes you on a process and a journey, um, through a map that I have, and I don't want to give too much away, but I will say that. If you follow the book, you don't have to follow an order. You can pick a question or pick a chapter and just work on that. It is about deep healing. This is not, I always, in the beginning of the book, I said this is not a book you read, it's a book you do. There's a lot of prompts in there, a lot of exercises. on how to like get to the bottom of who you are, why you're here, how you process stuff. And we use all of those modalities to help you with that. And I'm really excited about it because it's also part memoir of my story as well. And how I got to, you know, for me, it's baby psychic to where I am now. And I always, And I emphasize this in the book that psychic ability is not something that you have to do professionally like you don't have to this is something that I know that's part of my path and my purpose, but everybody uses it in a different way. And, um, I know people have read that book, The Big Leap, by Gay Hendricks, and he talks about your zone of genius. And I truly believe that that's psychic ability. That's your most psychic part of yourself, your zone of genius. So when people look at it, I want them to not think about it like, Oh, this is this and psychic. I'm not into that. All of that stuff. We're all psychic. It's just that life throws a bunch of crap on us and it dumbs down those natural things in us. Um, and I talk about this in the book, dogs and babies are the most psychic intuitive people. But then as life happens, as you get influenced, it just kind of quiets and goes dormant. So it never goes away. It just goes dormant. And your goal as you heal, there's actually been studies. Um, when you heal, people always say, gosh, I feel like I'm, I'm getting psychic. And it's like, no, You're removing all of the trauma, all of the baggage. And that's what's making you more receptive now. So I talk about that in the book.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 41:43

I am so excited to read it, first of all. Second of all, I fall into that camp where I do have a hard time with spiritual things. Now, it's been a big part of my Enneagram learning in terms of like applying it. In my life and like the, um, Enneagram school that I went to really emphasizes the spiritual aspect of things. And so I'm sure they would also love this book. Um, but it's so challenging for me because I actually just have a lot of religious trauma. Um, and like spiritual trauma and spiritual abuse in my past. And, um, that really makes it so challenging.

Aycee Brown: 42:21

makes it very hard. And maybe one day, well not one day, I'll probably do some content on this, but I'm really passionate about that part because, you know, I grew up in a Catholic household. And so my grandmother, was very spiritual. My grandfather was the Catholic one and my grandmother came back from like a back Baptist church in the South. Also like she knows who do and things like that. And my grandmother used to always tell me as a child, the only difference between you as a psychic and a prophet in the church is that one of you can recite Bible verses quicker. That is it. And so that always helped me to wrap my head around it because for a very long time, I would hide under the guise of, Oh, I'm an intuitive and that would be easier, more palatable. And it's like, no, I'm a psychic. I'm a psychic medium. I'm a psychic channel. That's what I do. That is literally my gift. I have that and I need to call it a day, but I would love to, and I work with so funny, a lot of the clients that come to me for coaching, longterm coaching, um, even short term coaching, one off sessions every once in a while, they have religious trauma, um, and come from religious abusive backgrounds or very religious backgrounds. And if anyone's listening and they have that situation. I can definitely hold space for you in that just because it's very rough because you are really contradicting a part of yourself that has been taught that certain things are right or wrong and Then you're getting older and you are Getting to know yourself becoming more self aware and you're seeing that that's not quite the truth And so it's always going to be a fight within you so your goal is, you know to work with a spiritual guide or teacher even a Therapist that has some spiritual background who can assist you and letting you know that no, this isn't wrong it's just different and As souls having human experiences, we are connected to source and source doesn't have to mean church. Source can mean you stepping outside and putting your bare feet on grass and feeling God and feeling the earth and letting the wind blow through your hair and through your fingertips. That is connection. We think that. It's so separate from us. I like to tell people that the spirit world, I tell people hold up their hand and look at the width of their hand, like straight up. That's how thin the veil is. Your ancestors, your loved ones, your guides, they're on the other side of your hand. It's that close. You just have to let down that guard, let down that fear and accept that and, and bring it in. They're listening. They're watching. They're here to help you. We are not alone like we think we are and society has made us feel that way. So if you do have any religious trauma or you're afraid to step into more of a spiritual being of yourself, It's literally your birthright. You came here as a spiritual being. You didn't come here as a religious kid. That was what was taught to you. You came here as a soul having a human experience. You picked your parents. You picked your experiences. You, you already are in tune with the spirit world. You just have other people's trauma on top of you.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 46:05

Yeah. Well, and I think that's such beautiful permission, but it's also so eye opening because I think one of the most damaging things for me about those environments was the continual reiteration and basically being like, Smash the smithereens with, with this concept of you can't trust yourself, you can never listen to yourself. I, as the pastor or elder or whatever, know best, and if you don't do what I say, then you'll be destitute or you'll be devastated. Um, and those sorts of messages. Now, some people might have gone to churches that didn't give them those messages, and I love that for them, but every

Aycee Brown: 46:47

very rare.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 46:48

Right. And every place I was in, I was very like implicitly and explicitly told these things. Right. So as an adult, then I'm like, okay, I have to find a way to listen to myself again. Um, and it feels like such an uphill battle, but I also feel like it's really important for me to then move into kind of the next thing.

Aycee Brown: 47:08

Yeah. Which is self trust, which is trusting yourself. And that's all, that's what I talk about in the book. It's really about trusting yourself. And that's when I coach people, I always tell them we're good. This is not fluff. We're not going to be surface level. healing. We're going to get down to the nitty gritty, but this is all about you trusting yourself, you trusting who you are, you having more autonomy. That's what religion takes away from you. It takes away choices and autonomy. And like you said, you become dependent on something outside of yourself. When you already have the answers, you just have to listen. Um, some people say that, um, one of my mentors who is, was a prophet in the religious church. She says, you know, prayer is you talking to God and meditation is how God answers you. And so one is religious, one is spiritual. And so it's really important for anyone who has that religious ideology that's kept them stuck or even just makes you feel so conflicted sometimes to know that, and I like to say this, why would your God not want you to make decisions for yourself?

Stephanie Barron Hall: 48:29

Yeah.

Aycee Brown: 48:30

Why would your God not give you the tools? Why can't you have a direct access to the God, to the God within you? That's what God wants. He wants you. To know that you have direct access because within you is God. It's not outside of you. It's not another person. It's not an authority. You are the authority on your life. You are the God within yourself. You make those decisions. You come to those conclusions. You have those epiphanies. You talk and you pray and then you make the actions happen. So that is, it should empower you even more to trust yourself

Stephanie Barron Hall: 49:14

Yeah. Yeah, I really appreciate that. and it's a process that I'm learning. Um, but I think it's so encouraging to hear that you are so well acquainted with, people who, who have these experiences, um, because I'm sure it comes up a lot, um,

Aycee Brown: 49:32

the time.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 49:33

spiritual things. I'm curious. You've already given us so much about all of these different types, but are there any daily practices that you recommend as kind of a first step for any of the aura types?

Aycee Brown: 49:44

Yeah, absolutely. I would say for, and this is, these are more fun exercises. Um, for generators, I would say something that you want to ask for a sign and ask for a sign that you understand and let that show up for manifesting generators. I would say. Manifest, like ask for silly, just the silliest things. Just talk, talk about it and watch how fast it shows up. Um, for projectors, ask for invitations that excite you, that, um, get you moving. But I always like to tell, um, projectors, you have to show up to the party for people to see you. So just show up to the party. whatever your party is, and let the invitations come. Um, for manifestors, go do something fun where you can, where it's uninterrupted, whether you start writing, painting, anything where you can take an hour a day and go do something. And then for reflectors, find environments that bring them joy because for flectors is all about their environments. If they are not happy in their environments, their whole life can suck. So they have to find places, people, like even if it's down to the coffee shop and you find a coffee shop where everybody is just grooving and moving the way you want to go there every day to decompress, to unwind. So it's really about the daily practices. Is really about those little things that you can do, especially for the generator family. It's all about listening to your body, how those yeses and how those no's are coming through. For projectors, what is an invitation for you? What kind of invitations do you want? Um, for manifestors, um, how do you want to create in the world? What does that mean for you? And then we're for reflectors. How do you want life to surprise you? Um, what do you want to be? You know, something to surprise you. So it's just those little things. It doesn't have to be a big process.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 51:51

And that's so helpful because I think that those little mindset shifts or those little questions that we can kind of reflect upon, those are sometimes the best growth practices to me, because we don't have to plan a big, huge thing in our day to do it. Um, it can just become easily integrated. And then. Over time, of course, we want to make more space, but it's a great place to start.

Aycee Brown: 52:12

Yeah, absolutely.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 52:15

Um, tell me how our listeners can find you.

Aycee Brown: 52:19

They can find me@www.ac brown.com. I'm AC Brown on TikTok and Instagram and AC Brown, one on YouTube But you know, join my mailing list. Book me for a session for coaching. That's all on my website under the Work with Me tab. And yeah,

Stephanie Barron Hall: 52:40

Cool.

Aycee Brown: 52:40

get on my mailing list. Yes, and my podcast is my aura on straight. My podcast is my aura on straight is it's in, it's in its interview author phase. It's getting ready to come out of there and I'll be back to my solo episode soon. But most people just start from the beginning. I have a lot of human design content, a lot of astrology content and older episodes and interviews with different people.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 53:06

Yeah. I love it. I'm so excited for that. Um, okay. My final two questions I ask everyone. Um, first thing is tell me about a book that has helped you refresh you or shaped you in the last year.

Aycee Brown: 53:18

Oh gosh. So it's um, a book that I recommend to everyone. It's two books actually because I always reread them. So the first one is It's Not Your Money by Tosha Silver. That's one. And then the other one is, I recommend this book. I give this to all of my coaching clients. It's called The Trance of Scarcity by Victoria Castle. And those are my like go to books. Oh, they're

Stephanie Barron Hall: 53:50

Love it. Okay. Thank you. I have never heard of either of them, so I'm excited to add them to my reading list.

Aycee Brown: 53:55

Yeah, they're great.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 53:56

Selfishly, this question is just to pad my reading list. Um, okay. Last thing. Um, tell me a piece of advice that has really stuck with you.

Aycee Brown: 54:06

Oh, yes. Um, you take you wherever you go. So that's always, um, one of a family friend used to say that to me. when I would be thinking about a decision or wanting to move or feeling like my environment wasn't great or this and he would always say you take you wherever you go. yeah.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 54:30

Well, AC, thank you so much for chatting with me today. I feel like we covered so much, but this is also, we didn't talk that much about the Enneagram, but, One thing I can just observe, and I think this, this is an overlap, like all of these systems are different, but we see overlaps, right, um, and something within the Enneagram is that I noticed with a lot of fives, they have already thought through everything they're going to say and like, um, not necessarily always in advance, but they're not just wandering. Like they have, you know, something that's really packed with information and guidance and wisdom or whatever that they're going to share. Um, and that is how this. You know, less than an hour has been where you've just given us so much to think about to chew on. Um, and I really, really appreciate your expertise in this area. Um, and I really hope more of our listeners get into human design because I think it's such a fun system.

Aycee Brown: 55:21

Well, thank you. This is great. And yes, if you have human design questions, want to work with me, just through. I'm a hoot. But I'm not gonna hold your hand and like, We're not going to do the rainbows and sprinkles over here. So I'm letting you know. No, we're not doing rainbows and sprinkles and spiritual bypassing and love and light over here. This is shadow and breakthrough.

Stephanie Barron Hall: 55:51

Yeah. I love it.

Steph Barron Hall: 55:54

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